By
Paul Acquaro
Earlier this Spring, a post on Facebook announced the end of physical media
for the venerable NotTwo label, then based on Warsaw, Poland. It came as a bit
of shock and the comments that followed showed just how important the label was to
many listeners. The message was also a bit cryptic, it was unclear if the
label itself was shutting down entirely. This summer, we learned, happily, that
there while there was indeed big change at label, as it now finds itself on the West Coast
of the United States in the care of long-time label assistant Cezary Lerski, it is still very much alive. Please see the interview below to learn more about the transition.
One Voice and Two Truths
To kick off the re-launch of the label in its new digital-only guise, Lerski has
released two excellent compilation albums curated from the label's deep
back-catalog, One Voice focuses on solo performances and
Two Truths on duos. Scan the names on the track listings
and one is struck by the prominence of the artists, for example Simon Rose, Ken Vandermark, Barry Guy, Peter Brötzmann, Joëlle Léandre, Anthony Braxton ... and that's just a random pick.
One Voice starts off with the intense blast of baritone saxophone from
Simon Rose on the track 'Boxhanger'. It begins with such intensity that one
wonders how it could develop further, yet it does with speed and precision.
The track 'Dekooning' from saxophonist Ken Vandermark stands in contrast to
the opener: restrained and melodic, its intensity is more conventionally jazz
focused. For something completely different, bassist Marcin Oles' version of
Ornette Coleman's 'Una Muy Bonita' presents at once an entirely recognizable tune that on one instrument captures the rhythm, melody and spirit of the
tune.
Two Truths is also a rich collection of duo performances that one may
never have gotten to - after all, while having everything online and available
all at once makes it possible to access, actually accessing it becomes a whole
other problem. Starting with 'Productive Cough' from saxophonist Peter
Broetzmann and percussion Joerg Fischer, there are obviously treasures within just waiting to be (re)discovered. This one begins with a no-holds-barred intro
from the uncompromising saxophonist before Fischer comes crashing in. Eight
minutes of heart-pumping free improvisation follows. On 'Conversation 1' from
bassist Joelle Leandre and vocalist Lauren Netwon, the duo crisscrosses each others sonic
paths, wrapping around each other until the distinction of bass and voice is
futile. In another unconventional blending, woodwindist Anthony Braxton and
bassist Chris Dahlgren offer 'Penumbra for woodwind(s) & bass(es) 1+1'. It is a low-register pummeling that uses electronics to grind the two instruments together.
These two hand-curated compilations show some of the true bounty from NotTwo's back
catalog. Each recording comes with detailed liner notes
and links back to the source recordings, making entering this rabbit hole
ever more enticing.
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An Interview with Cezary Lerski:
Paul Acquaro: NotTwo has been around for more than 30 years, founded by
Marek Winiarski. You spent many years working there — what first drew you
to the organization?
Cezary Lerski: It goes back to the early 2000s, right around when iTunes first launched. I
was producing a compilation showcasing the best of new Polish jazz at the
start of the millennium, and I reached out to Marek by email to ask about
featuring a track from his catalog. He said yes — Simple Acoustic Trio, who
later became internationally known as the Marcin Wasilewski Trio through their
run on ECM, got a spot on that 2-CD compilation.
That first contact grew into something more personal. At the time, the whole
model of music distribution was shifting online, and Marek — despite never
really warming to the Internet himself, he genuinely avoided it, social media
included — recognized that the label needed to embrace that shift if it wanted
to reach beyond Poland. I think I was simply the right guy in the right place
at the right time. I became, informally, "the Internet guy," and before long I
was running all of Not Two's online sales, handling customers, distributors,
and the whole digital side. I think it was a real relief for Marek — it let
him step back from that and focus on what he cared about most, the editorial
and artistic direction of the label.
PA: As I understand it, you had an important operational role in the label,
were you involved with the musical direction and release choices too?
CL: Honestly, that's always been Marek's domain. The musical direction, the
release choices — that's him.
Where I did have a real role was as a kind of gatekeeper. As "the Internet
guy," I was the first line for the enormous volume of submissions the label
got from artists wanting to release on Not Two. So I was the one who had to
tell a lot of well-meaning dentists that no, we weren't going to put out their
girlfriend's reissue of the Ella Fitzgerald songbook (ha, ha). But when
something genuinely caught my ear, I'd push it forward and send it to Marek
with my recommendation. That's actually how I recall Szilárd Mezei first came
to Marek's attention — and today we have ten of his albums in the catalog.
PA: Did you ever think that you would be in charge of the label?
CL: No. Honestly, that thought never crossed my mind. I saw my role only as
handling the online side, sales, distribution — while Marek was always the
label. His ear, his taste, his editorial vision built Not Two, you can't just
inherit that by osmosis. Taking over wasn't a plan; it was more like being
handed the keys to a car you'd only ever been the passenger in.
PA: Moving to California is a major change for both yourself and the label, how
did this come about?
CL: That's actually always been a bit of a misconception — I didn't move to
California for the label, I've lived here since the 1994 Northridge
earthquake, with a few years back in New York City in between. California's
been home for a long time; if anything, the label followed me, not the other
way around.
For Not Two, though, it really was a seismic shift — pun very much intended.
We cut the ties to a lot of what had supported the label in Europe: the local
fan base that had grown up around Marek and the label over decades, the
brick-and-mortar distribution network, the festival circuit connections. All
of that infrastructure that took almost thirty years to build in Poland and
across Europe — we're now starting, from scratch, to build something
equivalent here. It's early days. That's part of why the online side has
become so critical; without that European backbone, digital distribution isn't
just an add-on anymore, it's the lifeline while we figure out what comes next.
PA: Do you think it will have an impact on the label? If so, in what way?
CL: I think it already has, and I think it will keep having one. The most obvious
shift is that we're now positioned to build a real foothold in the US — a
market Not Two never had strong roots in before, despite the catalog being
world-class. Free jazz and avant-garde have a dedicated, if scattered,
audience here, and being physically present, able to go to shows, meet
musicians, build relationships in person rather than only by email, changes
the nature of those connections.
There's also the practical side — being US-based makes it easier to work with
American artists, US distributors, and frankly, US customers who'd rather not
deal with international shipping and customs. And going digital-first out of
necessity has turned out to be an advantage too; the label isn't tied to a
warehouse or a single postal system anymore.
PA: What is your vision for the NotTwo going forward?
CL: The short version: stay true to what made the label matter in the first place
— Marek's ear, that "free" part of free jazz, the refusal to follow trends or
chase what's commercially safe — while building the infrastructure so that
vision can actually reach people wherever they are, not just where it's easy
to ship a CD.
Concretely, that means a few things. Getting the digital side fully modern —
proper distribution, a website and catalog system that does the music justice,
so someone discovering the label today has as good an entry point as someone
who walked into a record shop in Kraków twenty five years ago. On the physical
side, I have to be honest — economics simply won't let us keep releasing
everything on CD the way Marek did for all those years years. Digital will be
the default going forward, with Bandcamp being our primary platform. But for
special projects, the door is very much open — especially if we can move away
from standard CD runs toward small-batch, on-demand, limited editions, whether
that's CDs, vinyl, or even cassettes. It's a different model than the old one,
but it lets us keep tangible formats alive for the releases that deserve them,
without the economics sinking the label. It also means growing the US presence
in a real way — not replacing the European roots, but adding to them, so the
label has two homes instead of one. And it means keeping the catalog itself
honest, so thirty years from now Not Two still means something specific when
you see the name on a release.
PA: Can you give us a tease of any upcoming recordings?
CL: OK, I can tease a little. Fair warning though: this isn't necessarily going to
be your grandmother's free jazz anymore. I'm getting a steady stream of
submissions from artists working at the edges of avant-garde, pulling in
influences from Krautrock, rave, psychedelia, trance — it's a strange and
wonderful mix, and some of it is genuinely unlike anything currently in the
catalog.
A few personal notes, since you asked: I've got a real thing for cello right
now, and I think you'll hear that creeping into upcoming releases. And unlike
Marek, I actually enjoy guitar too — so don't be surprised if it gets a bit
more room on Not Two going forward.
What genuinely astonishes me is how many artists from all over the world are
reaching out — practically every day — names most people, myself included,
have never heard before. And the quality is often stunning. At the same time,
I want to be clear: we're not abandoning the family. We have relationships
with over 800 musicians already in the Not Two catalog, and it's always an
honor when they come back to us with a new project.
And I'll close with this: we've put together a compilation series pulling
together the best of our roughly 350 releases, organized by format — “One
Voice” is entirely solo performances, “Two Truths” is duets, and the series
continues from there with larger and larger groupings. Each one draws across
the whole history of the label, so you might hear something from the late
1990s sitting right next to something recorded 25 years later. The idea is
simple: instead of asking someone to dive into hundreds of albums cold, we're
saying, here's a curated front door — start here, find what speaks to you, and
then go explore the deep end of the catalog on your own terms.